Ich wollte einen Ledger kaufen, aber jetzt bin ich unsicher.
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Ich ging durch die subreddit und ich las eine Menge Dinge, die einige Leute sagen, seine unsicher und einige andere sagen, vertrauen Sie dem Unternehmen, las ich eine Menge von Post und Kommentare über immer gehackt und bekam gestohlen und so weiter, jetzt im wirklich unsicher, ob es sich lohnt, den Kauf eines Ledger viele Leute sagen, eine andere harte Wallet oder sogar kalte Brieftaschen zu bekommen, aber ich dachte nur, und es ist nur ein Gedanke, nicht eine Annahme, könnte nicht jedes Unternehmen etwas tun, um Ihr Zeug zu stehlen, wie Nano-Chips auf Geräte, die die Seed-Phrase zu fangen, auch wenn es „offline“. Ich wollte nur einige Ledger-Benutzer zu hören, wenn es sich lohnt auch ich einige Kommentare lesen, die sagen, Ledger ist nicht für Krypto im Wert von über 50k gemacht, warum das?
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All rival companies spread FUD, it’s impossible to hack any of those big hardware wallet companies products, if you get called by “support” and you transfer your assets to their adress you call that hacked? 99,95% of people that got hacked scream they got hacked done something similar to that.
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„*couldn’t every company do something to steal your stuff, like put nano chips on devices that catch the seed phrase*“
This is exactly the point. Any manufacturer of hardware wallets could compromise their own devices if they wanted to. Ledger have offered to securely export the seed phrase as a opt-in backup service, for anyone who pays for it. Nothing wrong with that,imho.
One of the reasons why you’re seeing many positive responses is that we’re sick of fake panic-mongering posts. New accounts with zero history suddenly appear and claim that their Ledger was hacked, the system isn’t secure, the company can’t be trusted etc. It smells like an orchestrated campaign – maybe a rival manufacturer trying to steal business from Ledger, or maybe scammers trying to discourage use of all hardware wallets.
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This is just FUD spread along all way since the announcement of recovery feature. But I would recommend you to go to ledger website and read about it.
When it comes to getting hacked or being scammed. Mostly it depends on us where we connect our ledger and sign the transactions which are unwanted.
You cannot gurantee if you got some other wallets which are 100% secure.
All you need to remember is „not your keys“ „not your crypto“.
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I use 2 ledgers, s & x both are solid in my view. Have a spare ledger also in case something goes wrong / missing. Make sure you use a pass-phrase & never store seed or pass phrase electronically anywhere. Best not to tell others about your holdings also. In future treat all dms as scammers. All the best.
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I have a Nano x and the newer S the latter I got at best buy. Both fine, using X for 1.5yrs. No issues. Purchase a Tangem recently new model. Works fine super simple. Also have a Jade, bit more work, nothing on it yet. Spread your funds across a few, don’t ever type your seed phrase into anything other than the device, unless it’s a hot wallet like trust wallet. Even then only in an emergency. Most people that lose anything is there own mistake, suckered into typing seed phrase. Clicking links. Buy with exchange, withdraw and watch it grow over time.
Secure seed phrase somewhere safe from fire, water, and friends and family lol.
Trust no one ever. Disable DM and chat here and everywhere crypto. -
At the moment, if you want BTC-only, Coldcard is the best on the market.
If you are storing anything other than BTC, the only real options in my mind are Ledger, Trezor, and the new Trezor.
Trezor has a known vulnerability, protected against by the use of a good passphrase (25th word). That adds complexity and risks of loss if you don’t manage the passphrase well, forget it, or don’t give an option for family to recover if you lose your memory.
Ledger has a vulnerability that you ultimately have to trust Ledger a bit. Not a lot, and it can be mitigated. Trezor too, but much less so. There’s no perfect security available.
Trezors new product looks very promising, but it’s not out and not battle tested yet.
At the moment Ledger is my pick for a lot of reasons.
Good luck.
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There’s so many bad takes here in this sub. The bottom line is that people feel deceived by Ledger’s new seed recovery feature, which is opt in and has a monthly fee. Almost none of us is going to use this ever. This functionality, although most won’t use it, is now included in the firmware. The feature allows (with permission of the paying user) to split up the seed in 3 pieces, encrypt it and back it up on three different servers in case you ever lose lose it. Now, people didn’t know it was even possible for the firmware to read the seed and send it out. And they are now concerned that this functionality could be hacked and their seed would be sent out to a hacker… or something like that.
The truth is that a malicious firmware update could always steal your seed, because it could introduce any malicious code that can do whatever the hacker wants. This is true for any hardware wallet, not just Ledger. But of course this was never communicated by the companies like Ledger or Trezor because it makes their devices look less secure. Both companies have mechanisms in action that doesn’t allow a single employee to push a firmware update, it’s three people who need to come together to authorize any update to be published.
There’s no case or indication that this new recover feature actually makes the device more insecure, there haven’t been any hacks and it doesn’t look likely that there will be any. It’s just a theoretical additional attack vector. But people were just unaware of how much is possible with the firmware and that in the very end we do need to trust Ledger (or Trezor) that they don’t push malicious code onto our hardware wallets. Some of Ledgers code is closed source. But even for Trezor, who actually reads all the code before accepting a firmware update? Anything malicious would probably just noticed much much later.
I am not happy that Ledger is forcing this update on us, most don’t want it. But it doesn’t really make the devices less secure, as many people claim here. They just had a poor understanding of what firmware can do from the beginning and lofty marketing promises.
Now, for your last point, „don’t use Ledger for more than 50k“, this has nothing to do with Ledger, it’s not like the device get’s any less secure if you store more crypto value on it, lol. The warning is about different strategies to keep your funds safe if you have large amounts. Every strategy has different tradeoffs, even a hardware wallet is not 100% secure. Imagine someone knows you are crypto rich and puts a gun on your head. You will probably give them your PIN and they can access and steal your funds. So for large amounts, some people recommend to use multisig wallets, where the key to access the wallet is split into several pieces (3 of 5, or 5 of 7). And those pieces are either spread over different locations or people that than have to come together to access those funds. There’s also companies who help make this more user friendly such as casa.hodl
Anyway, multisig is a whole other can of worms, not convenient at all if you need to access your funds frequently (it’s more for holding large amounts of crypto longterm, where you don’t touch them in years…). And it increases the chance of user error. So for most of us, a hardware wallet is still the best compromise between usability and security. But I urge you to really inform yourself about safe seed storage and best practices for hardware wallets befor you handle large amounts. There’s so many people here who lost their funds because they didn’t save their seed properly (they might have uploaded into the cloud where it can be stolen easily, therefore it should never be stores digitally, not even a photo). Also, when you sign malicious contracts (using Ledger through Metamask or another defi wallet), then using a Ledger won’t magically keep you safe. So your hodl wallet should always really be cold storage and not be used to farm airprops and get free NFT mints and whatnot. Those contracts are high risk if you don’t have a clue of what you are doing.
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Ledger is the industry standard… NEVER has he device been hard cracked and hacked it’s always user error – user is tricked into doing something dumb or just doing something dumb without knowing better and lost assets that way. Buy a coin you have faith in the technology for and just store it on your ledger don’t stake or any other dumb shit we in a near market like what are you connecting your ledger to some service for in the first place 🚩🚩 and then your doing what ??? Staking a coin worth cents ???? 🤡 I can go on and on about how it’s always the user who makes the mistake and never a full blown hack . It’s good you did research and looked around for info – personally I have 4 ledgers 2 in service cloned off eachother and 2 in storage incase I break one I like 2 running at same time I know it’s weird it’s what I have been doing for years tho. Anyways long rambling rant just get a ledger I can answer any questions also look on YouTube CRYPTODAD has amazing videos even if you don’t go for a ledger he makes videos for every HW made.
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I reached out to their support 40 hours ago regarding my password reset not working, and they haven’t responded back. Do you know any other company in the world that would have that kind of delay? Could you imagine losing access to moving funds and your bank doing that?
I think the product has a premium feel, but it has discount service. I wish I stuck with my Tresor at this point.
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All hardware wallets require you to trust the manufacturer of said wallet. Think of It like this. Would you rather trust the company ledger, who has built a name for itself by trust through the community, or those other hardware wallet manufacturers that haven’t been around as long. Ledger is the go to in my opinion. Store your seed phrase only on paper,never enter seed phrase ANYWHERE and make sure no one has access to it but you. Also triple check the address of wallets you send coins to thru ledger live when it makes you confirm wallet on device. don’t opt in the seed recovery feature and your fine.
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